Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject:

Hi Bernadette,

What is the definition of an open space, occupied or not?????? It is an open space, definition is simple.

If an open space, by your logic, is not occupied, then......it should be maybe turned into something else. A car park? An office block? Perverted logic that, well IMHO it seems so.

What about many other spaces, the woodlands of this Borough for example?

If it does not have people on it, 24/7.... build on it?

Honestly, if we build more houses, are they going to be occupied???? There are many empty and up for sale in and around Longridge for example? Why build more????

As for the central Middlesbrough area, maybe the reason for the absence of people, such as I, is, the vermin and drug users are in the ascendency, and the problem is not being tackled by the much vaunted council (councillors), in order to protect the amenity?

Bernadette

This comment about says it all, a town centre area, of which this council has spent many many thousands upon, having a vermin problem and drug user problem, is a condemnation of the effectiveness of all the statements and rhetoric from Clrs and the Mayor. Shooting one's own feet, appears to be a well practiced activity these days, certainly amongst Boro councillors and their leader Mayor Mallon.

If Mallon and his cohorts cannot keep the town centre open space under control, for the use of folk, what chance elsewhere????

The argument for building on this area, appears again, to be as flawed as the Longridge site 44.

Sorry Bernadette, your support for MBC is patently weakened by the arguments offered in support of doing something else?



Tosha
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject:

Hi Pancrack,

I can think of no better reason, for the failings of Mayor Mallon, and his exec, than the post from Bernadette ref the Lake and open space.

As a result of vermin and druggies. Folk avoid this part of the town centre.

A serious indicament of the capabilities of this group, and their failings, right outside the front window of the Mayor, right alongside the much vaunted MIMA, alongside the revamped town square, and a big television to boot!

Serious or what?

tosha
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject:

hi Bernadette,

talking to the people who formed the protest group gives a different view to yours and streetwalker's they feed the wildlife down there, they use this open space as do quite a lot of people when the weather is nice, I myself sit down there and eat my diner some days and I'm never alone !!

In order to get to see any alleged needles you would have to get to the back of the lake, I would have to ask why ?

This is a public amenity built with public money . What MBC are proposing is getting rid of this public space to build private buildings. Why does Middlesbrough need another office space with Gurney St empty, Church House empty, the new block on Marton road empty most of Cleveland House ( ONE )empty the two plots at Middlehaven ( owned by the company who is being offered the lake site ) empty ?

why do we need another hotel in central Middlesbrough when there is lots of land at Middlehaven and St Hilda's ?

why do we need another multi story car park when there is one being built at the old police station ?

this smacks of desperation by MBC and Mallon to get their hands on some cash at the expense of the people of this town
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject:

Hi Honto,

A clear and logical post, mine was a little emotive.

Both I feel, very pertinent, and expose the flawed logic of those making the decisions. Without, it seems, any regards to the long term future effects on this town.

Tosha
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject:

Hi Tosha,

thats just it, their plans do not stand up to any logical arguments and then the mud starts to fly. have you noticed how all of a sudden the "word" is coming out from the mayor's office ? attacks and smears on the good ordinary voting folk of this town, looks like the spin doctors are working overtime !
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject:

Good Day All

found online

Ray Mallon gives a balanced view of how MBC are looking after Middlesbrough's environment

http://cityofmiddlesbrough.com/video/mallon-crazy.wmv

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject:

Hi Stravnangar,

After Mallon's rambling on the politic show, all credibility has gone. It must rate as one of the worst interviews involving MBC spokepersons.
Though daily now, as the wheels begin to come adrift, comments in the papers, and etc. So poorly researched, and the contradictions go on piling up.

Budd has shifted his position so many times, he is really in danger of having a one man argument with himself.

labelled at one point the worst town, and now with 4 stars and a beacon, (A source of guidance or inspiration) what an absolute joke.

Tosha
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject:

Good Day All

Stravnanger
notes the comments
your LA appear to be drifting from one balanced view to another
could it be they are all punch drunk
or suffering the effects of all their own spin
Stravnanger
gets dizzy just watching

on a lighter note found the following online

http://middlesbrough-council.com/Section2/Page1.aspx

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Hi Stravnangar,

You have an uncanny knack of showing all the good aspects of our local council actions.

The performance of our Mayor and specially selected executive (highly qualified councillors).

Please refrain, we will have an acute housing problem as a result of an unexpected high influx of residents attracted by all of these new builds.

We have just reached a BALANCE with the exodus complementing the demolition factors.

Tosha
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject:

Stravanger - I would like to know who made the film shown on the link. Clearly it's someone who does not know the facts as it states houses being demolished in Saltersgill. My source tells me that not one house has been been demolished in Saltersgill nor have any got a green shutter on them. All the houses in the film are in Grove Hill and are owned not by the council but by Fabrik.

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject:

I agree with the Mayor,We do need executive houses to be built at longridge,We are loosing plenty of people to Wynyard and Ingleby barwick looking for executive properties.The council needs to change the flow of people.I think there will be more executive house at the land near the Gables pub in Hemlington .

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject:

Hi Rosie 20091,

Sorry, but cannot get my head around, the contradictions, posted by others, sitte 44 designated for low cost housing?
Mallon... site 44 needs exec type housing?

Build very expensive exec housing at Longridge, does anyone think, it will attract Executives?????

Folk whose time means money??? Stuck in never ending traffic queues???? The Gables pub arrea is subject to the same frustrations in transport infrastructual problems.

Another question, where are these wealthy execs going to come from, should such dwellings be built?????

Rich all this, when the Mayor lives out in Middleton St. George. The soon to be packing in, Jan Richardson and Tim White, (execs?) who chose not live in town, but SW. Durham, and they live together out there.

Anyone remember the main selling point for Ingleby Burglarwick, exclusive, executive homes????? They forgot to mention... to be surrounded by different types of homes????

Sorry Rosie, the logic does not square with the realities. Folk are leaving Middlesbrough, not because of the lack of Exec type homes.

Tosha
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject:

Rosie- do you read newspapers or watch the news? There happens to be a recession at the moment and it will take many years to recover. Nobody is building executive homes or any other homes for that matter. Even Yuill stopped building in W. Banks some time ago. Where are the executive jobs in Mbro to go with the executive homes you think we should build? Do you honestly think that all who leave Mbro, do so in order to live in an executive home in Ingleby Barwick or Wynyard? If you do, you live in cloud cuckoo land. Rosie - go to Longridge and stand and listen to the noise of the traffic on the nearby main road - executive homes by butt!

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Hi Bowen,

You stalking me or what?????



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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject:

Bowen with respect, I know there is a recession at the moment, I deal in property.